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Oct. 28th, 2011 | 05:44 am
posted by: v_nighthawk in o_c_d

I know I should take this with a grain of a salt, but a therapist on a gay help forum said the H-OCD is fake, that's it's something being promoted by a small group of people.  He said it's not mentioned in the DSM-IV and that there is no scientific evidence to back it up?  Have I been had?  I've never have overt compulsions like hand washing, counting things, or arranging things.  I've always had weird fears.  If I don't have OCD, then what's really wrong with me?  Am I a repressed homosexual, and is this why I've been nuts for all these years?

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demiraks_world

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from: demiraks_world
date: Oct. 28th, 2011 12:54 pm (UTC)
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When I found out about ROCD I was so relieved there was a thing out there and it wasn't just me.'I posted on my on about it and a therapist friend was like "there's no such thing, it's not in the DSM." I was kinda crushed.

But, OCD is real. And mental compulsions are real. Calling it HOCD or ROCD or whatever is just a way to differentiate. I've only ever seen it on the Internet, but I have seen books on "pure-o" and even a couple episodes of OBSESSED have dealt with mental compulsions rather than physical.

So, as far ass I'm concerned it's definitely real, they maybe just havent fully recognized it yet.

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Vigilante Nighthawk

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from: v_nighthawk
date: Oct. 28th, 2011 01:01 pm (UTC)
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Thanks. I actually calmed down a bit after I wrote that. I actually remembered when I first looked for an OCD specialist that I called about ten and asked them about H-OCD. Not only did they all agree that it existed, but they all said they were treating patients for it at the time. I also looked at this guy's prior posts, and his first post on the topic stated that it was some sort of repairative therapy, which it isn't. I question his knowledge on the subject. (I also have to wonder what he'd say about the gay and lesbian people I've encountered who feared they were straight.) Unfortunately, he's been peddling this crap to people who clearly are suffering from OCD. I'm not sure what to do about it, as I don't have the mental or emotional strength to go toe to toe with this clown on his own turf. Someone right now is asking about it, and I don't want to see them go through the hell I went through because someone with a political ax to grind misinformed him.

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demiraks_world

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from: demiraks_world
date: Oct. 28th, 2011 02:22 pm (UTC)
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I actually calmed down a bit after I wrote that.

Just pointing out that you posting might actually have been a compulsion!

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das sich selbst verwertende lyrische etwas

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from: widdertwin
date: Oct. 28th, 2011 08:29 pm (UTC)
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I think it's stupid to designate H-OCD and R-OCD as something separate from OCD. Sure, it's a real thing, but it's just another manifestation of obsessive thinking. It's a common one because it kind of promotes an infinite regress, and that's the sort of thing OCD just loves. And whether or not it's accompanied by compulsive behaviour has nothing to do with it- some people just aren't overtly compulsive. Doesn't mean they're fake.

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indy_md

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from: indy_md
date: Oct. 28th, 2011 09:24 pm (UTC)
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this ^^

there is no such thing as ROCD and HOCD to date, as they have not delineated it in any medical reference. somebody with OCD can certainly have obsessive thoughts about relationships or their sexuality, and this can be the only, or one of few, symptoms the person with OCD has. i would say you have non-compulsive OCD or "pure-O" and that your major obsession is the questioning of your sexuality.

hand washing and the like, are really stereotypical manifestations of OCD. i've known more people with OCD who were slobs and either maintained normal, or less than normal hygiene than i've known who are compulsive washers. i have OCD, and one of my primary obsessions is "organization"... so when I clean, I spend hours getting things just right and getting everything "organized." this is such a mentally draining task for me that most days i am not neat or organized at all. i just dump my clothes on the floor etc., like somebody without OCD would do. my clothes on the floor bothers me but i know that if i start to clean i'll get so compulsive that i'll wind myself up into a tizzy, so i just avoid cleaning. not being compulsive is just as much a symptom as being compulsive when there is an obsessive thought that is driving it. i also have a thing with symmetry and have to brush my teeth in equal proportions on all four quadrants of my mouth. truthfully, sometimes this task gets me so anxious that i just go to bed without brushing my teeth at all. that embarrasses me, but it's a manifestation of my OCD, just like questioning your sexuality is a manifestation of yours.

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V

the opposite nomenclature.

from: vigelunt
date: Oct. 31st, 2011 06:31 pm (UTC)
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What do they call it when your gay, but have intrusive thoughts of being straight now that you finally accept who you are/in a good homosexual relationship?

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Vigilante Nighthawk

Re: the opposite nomenclature.

from: v_nighthawk
date: Oct. 31st, 2011 11:20 pm (UTC)
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I've heard people call it Heterosexual OCD. Some specialists have begun to call it Sexual Orientation OCD because it affects people of all orientations. Are you having issues with this, because straight people scared they could be gay isn't the only permutation of it?

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V

Re: the opposite nomenclature.

from: vigelunt
date: Nov. 1st, 2011 05:05 pm (UTC)
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I've had it in the past.

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Vigilante Nighthawk

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from: v_nighthawk
date: Oct. 29th, 2011 09:27 am (UTC)
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Yeah, I should have known better, especially since this is not the only OCD theme I've dealt with. Even if I presumed I was gay, there would still be the other themes to content with.

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shoujo_sparkles

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from: shoujo_sparkles
date: Oct. 29th, 2011 03:44 pm (UTC)
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BS!!! In the DSM there isn't a disorder called "H-OCD" of course, but your brain goes through the same rituals as any other theme in the Pure-O subcategory and it has the same anatomy. You get the thought, you experience an emotion, and then you become hypervigillant (by monitering your reactions with your interactions with the same sex) or by testing (asking yourself questions and looking for proof). Both of those are mental compulsions done to temporarily relieve your anxiety. I'm seeing an OCD specialist and she says that the "am I gay?" theme is very common. That being said, after the relief wears off when you know it's only OCD, you will probably start to question whether it's OCD THIS time or not. OCD is a little bitch D:

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Vigilante Nighthawk

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from: v_nighthawk
date: Oct. 30th, 2011 04:10 am (UTC)
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Tell me about it. :/ That's in part what got me. Just about every other person who I've talked to with this particular theme has asked whether or not it exists. The fact that so many OCD specialists, including my own, told me that this is common theme should have been enough. In a somewhat funny twist, I found a swollen lymph node behind my ear, probably from an ingrown hair that's been bothering me. This has triggered my fear of cancer. Thank god I'm on medication, otherwise I think I'd be a complete as opposed to partial wreck. At least this confirms I have OCD. :P

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Rosemary

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from: sophy
date: Oct. 30th, 2011 05:59 pm (UTC)
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I get why someone who isn't familiar with the way OCD works might want to say it's false because they are thinking that people who are actually gay and are spending lots of time worrying about it and freaking out will just go "uh, nope, mentally ill!" But that's not it with the OCD. It's not the same thing.

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A. Askew

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from: anivad
date: Nov. 14th, 2011 09:10 am (UTC)
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But how do you tell the difference between HOCD and just severe internalised homo/hetero-phobia? What if you have both?

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V

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from: vigelunt
date: Nov. 25th, 2011 02:06 pm (UTC)
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I think you need to not worry about labels at this point in your life.

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Rosemary

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from: sophy
date: Dec. 8th, 2011 04:10 am (UTC)
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I don't feel qualified to tell you for certain or anything, but if you were to read up on OCD and the way it works, you could probably pick out some specific characteristics of it that either fit or don't fit your situation so that you could better distinguish the difference. Because there are some clear traits of OCD that most of us kinda nod along to when we hear someone else talk about them.

As to having both ... that's entirely possible, I'd suppose. OTOH, OCD intrusive thoughts (which is what this HOCD seems like to me) are usually about stuff that we KNOW isn't true about ourselves. It's why so often it's about doing things that we feel is morally wrong or about religious/faith issues. We feel sure on one level that we don't REALLY feel a certain way or want to do a certain thing or whatever - but the thought keeps appearing in our heads that we do.

That's very different from the struggle of wondering if you're really gay or not. I imagine if you have some internalize homophobia that this struggle would cause a lot of anxiety. But it would just be a different flavor of anxiety.

Not sure if that makes sense...

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